Fallen Crown
#18

Ok I went on a research tangent and checked both the Korean, Japanese, and Traditional Chinese version (my youtube algorithm is forever fucked), then used Google Lens and a number of translators to help myself. I don't consider this a definitive answer and will check a couple of youtubers who tend to comment on the differences in translations.

What I've found:

KR
the rebels who invaded the palace forced the young king to take his own life.

JP
a large army of rebels storms into the castle and threatens the young king to commit suicide

CN
the rebel army stormed the royal city and forced the young king to commit suicide

And at this point I was very confused so I went with the Chinese sentence and looked for the translation word by word, paying close attention to the verb "force"

反叛者大軍衝進王城,逼那位年輕的王自戕。

You can see the verb in a dictionary here (https://dict.concised.moe.edu.tw/dictView.jsp?ID=1187&q=1) with the meaning of "threats, coercion"

Just for the sake of talking to myself, I tried asking gpt (NOT an authority on this so I'll take it as a temporary answer) if that verb in the sentence implied the success of the action (they did make him commit suicide) or if it only indicated their pressure in making him do it.

"Breaking it down semantically and grammatically:
逼 (bī) means "to force," "to coerce," or "to pressure." It does not guarantee the action happened—it emphasizes attempt or pressure.
自戕 (zìqiāng) means "to kill oneself", but in this construction, it's the intended outcome of the coercion.
So, is it definite?
Not quite.
The structure:
逼 [subject] [to do something] can imply two different things depending on context:
They pressured the young king to kill himself (attempted coercion, but result unknown).
They successfully forced him to kill himself (coercion led to the act).
In this sentence, is the result explicit?
No.
The sentence does not state explicitly that the king actually did kill himself. It only says the rebels forced (or tried to force) him to."


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Fallen Crown - by ChicletPrime - 07-22-2025, 06:36 AM
RE: Fallen Crown - by Coldsaturn - 07-22-2025, 07:54 AM
RE: Fallen Crown - by Coldsaturn - 07-22-2025, 10:25 AM
RE: Fallen Crown - by ChicletPrime - 07-22-2025, 02:15 PM
RE: Fallen Crown - by Coldsaturn - 07-22-2025, 08:30 PM
RE: Fallen Crown - by ChicletPrime - 07-22-2025, 08:44 PM
RE: Fallen Crown - by ChicletPrime - 07-23-2025, 01:29 AM
RE: Fallen Crown - by Coldsaturn - 07-25-2025, 10:52 AM
RE: Fallen Crown - by Coldsaturn - 07-25-2025, 06:44 PM
RE: Fallen Crown - by ChicletPrime - 07-25-2025, 11:02 PM
RE: Fallen Crown - by Coldsaturn - 07-25-2025, 11:18 PM
RE: Fallen Crown - by ChicletPrime - 07-26-2025, 01:37 AM
RE: Fallen Crown - by ChicletPrime - 07-26-2025, 02:43 AM
RE: Fallen Crown - by Coldsaturn - 07-26-2025, 05:28 AM
RE: Fallen Crown - by ChicletPrime - 07-26-2025, 05:46 AM
RE: Fallen Crown - by Coldsaturn - 07-26-2025, 10:52 AM
RE: Fallen Crown - by ChicletPrime - 07-26-2025, 06:52 PM
RE: Fallen Crown - by Coldsaturn - 07-26-2025, 09:37 PM
RE: Fallen Crown - by ChicletPrime - 07-27-2025, 12:09 AM
RE: Fallen Crown - by ChicletPrime - 07-27-2025, 12:26 AM
RE: Fallen Crown - by Coldsaturn - 07-27-2025, 01:20 PM
RE: Fallen Crown - by ChicletPrime - 08-01-2025, 03:07 AM
RE: Fallen Crown - by Coldsaturn - 08-01-2025, 03:01 PM
RE: Fallen Crown - by ChicletPrime - 08-01-2025, 05:15 PM
RE: Fallen Crown - by Coldsaturn - 08-01-2025, 05:39 PM
RE: Fallen Crown - by ChicletPrime - 08-02-2025, 12:06 AM
RE: Fallen Crown - by Coldsaturn - 08-02-2025, 12:25 AM
RE: Fallen Crown - by ChicletPrime - 08-02-2025, 10:29 PM
RE: Fallen Crown - by Coldsaturn - 08-03-2025, 08:16 PM
RE: Fallen Crown - by ChicletPrime - 08-03-2025, 08:48 PM
RE: Fallen Crown - by Coldsaturn - 08-03-2025, 11:46 PM

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